PCS to be reviewed
30 May 2008
In view of issues raised on the implementation of the PCS, the Pay Commission will submit a work plan to the cabinet by August 24 addressing issues and making suggestions.
Sonam Tshering, the Secretary of the Ministry of Trade and Industry, who is also the Chairperson for the Pay Commission,
said that the Commission will look into the disparities that are there in the civil service and also check if the PCS looks into those issues. “We had a meeting last week where the Royal Civil Service Commission had a brief presentation on the PCS which helped us understand the issues better,” he said.
He also pointed out that the main nuances in the PCS arose due to its principle of vested rights and that the PCS clause on equal pay for equal work had to be reviewed. The commission will also look at the private sector. “We will be looking at the companies that have a proper structure and not just any company,” said Sonam Tshering.
Apart from reviewing pay scales, the commission will also evaluate allowances. “There are some civil servants who are entitled to officiating allowance beyond a period of one month but have not received any allowances,” he said. The commission will also make sure that duty vehicles are provided only and if necessary.
“We will make sure that the civil servants are motivated and that the disparities are addressed but we will also have to consider the affordability of the government keeping in mind the expenditure that the government
has to bear and the internal sources of government revenue,” said Sonam Tshering.
The commission will also look at the sixth pay commission report of India to see how they have incorporated changes and at the end of its term, the Pay Commission will also create a feedback forum (firstpaycom@druknet.bt) to encourage further suggestions from the people.
By Pushkar Chhetri
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SIR, IT IS INDEED GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE PAY COMMISSION IS DOING GREAT JOB. YES, WE HAVE LOTS OF RUMOURS REGARDING THE PAY REVISION IN THE MONTH OF JULY BUT INFACT WE HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT PAY REVISIONS( I MEAN, IT CAN BE TRUE OR NOT). WE SHOULD THANK TO DASHO SONAM TSHERING WHO TAKES SOLE RESPONSILBILITIES IN LOOKING INTO PAY REVISIONS. HOPEFULLY, THEY WOULD COME OUT WITH SUCCESSFUL COMMENTS WITH THE SUPPORT FROM THE NEWLY FORMED GOVERNMENT, DPT. OUR PRIME MINISTER WOULD LOOK INTO THE MATTERS PROMTLY AND TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY. WITH THE INCREASE IN ESSENTIAL COMMODITIES IN THE MARKET, OUR PAY IS NOT SUFFICIENT AS PER THE SUTUATIONS WHICH NEEDS OUR PAY TO BE REVISED IMMEDIATELY. HOW CAN WE, CIVIL SERVANTS SURVIVE WITH LOW SALARY WHERE EVEN OUR MPs’ SAY, THERE PAY IS LOW AS PER THE LIVING STANDARDS. FOR PEOPLE LIKE US WHO GETS SALARY FROM NU. 3000/- TO 9000/- WILL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE? OUR HALF OF THE SALARY (50%) HAS TO PAY FOR HOUSE RENTS AND THINK OF OTHER UTILITIES AND ESSENTIAL COMMODITIES WHICH NEEDS TO COVER UP WHOLE MONTHS. OUR SUGGETIONS WOULD BE TO INCREASE IN GRADE WISE AS FOLLOWS:
1/ GRADE 1-3 = = 25%
2/ Grade 4-8 = 50%
3/ Grade 9-13 = 75%
4/ Grade 14 to GSP & ESP = 100%.
SO FAR, NOBODY IS CONCERNED TO THE LOWER INCOME GROUPS AND GIVEN EQUALLY AND THE DIFFERNCE BETWEEN THE HIGHER OFFICIALS CAME SO MUCH DIFFERENCES EVERY TIME. THEREFORE, IF THE CONCERNED AUTHORITIES COULD LOOK INTO THE PERCETAGE WISE WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO BOTH THE HIGHER & LOWER INCOME GROUPS.
THANK YOU AND THIS IS JUST MY SUGGESTIONS AND FROM REST OF MY COLLEAGUES TOO.
Since the DPD government is going to adopt the principle of equity and justic. i would like to give my view and sugguestion regarding the revison of pay to the civil servent should be fix slab for every body.
Since the DPT government is going to adopt the principle of equity and justic. i would like to give my view and sugguestion regarding the revison of pay to the civil servent should be fix slab for every body.
It is a good news that there are some discussions going on regarding the pay rise. But in my view that if there is really going to happen this then the rise shouldn’t be on the percentage basis because it will hardly goinfg to help the low salary earning groups as they are also very important contributors is every setting. So if it is given on a lumpsum basis after setting a minimum level like Nu.3000 to 5000 then I hope it will really support especially to those people to pay their their house rents or their children’s education and that way it will really going to make the differences in their living standard and directly or indirectly to the whole nation in long run. However percentage wise can be given after the minimum level to those deserving catagories, or essential groups of people or as a whole. If we look at the tolal out lay of budget on percentage basis or lumpsum basis I think there will not be much difference.
Thank you
If one is not capable to implement the new system why don,t you stick to the old one andadvance it. you people are doing bullshit.
Sir, we are very happy that the Pay comission has given us the opertunity to express our views and suggestion regarding the Pay and Allowances. Infect i personally feels that the commission has reacted timely. In line with that i would like to suggest that the Pay revision should be based on a lumpsum basis after setting a minimum level of Nu. 5000 to10,000. In that way iam sure that most of the civil servents problems will be solved.
“PCS to be reviewed”.. what a welcome relief ! PCS has been stifling motivation in the civil service from the year it was partially implemented. Many civil servants are left with their promotions withheld due absence of next higher post in their organisation. For civil servants whose only incentive in the service is his/her timely promotion, this inability to rise to the next higher post is extremely demoralising. Lets hope this review will be carried out keeping in mind the principles of GNH.
Sir,
It is encouraging as a civil servant to her about the pay revision. However, I’m hopeful that the new pay revision would not widen the gap further between the different groups of earning. I personally think that pay should be revised in such a way that higher percentage increase for the lower income and lower percentage increase for the higher income group in order to narrow the existing gap.
Sir,
It is encouraging as a civil servant to hear about the pay revision. However, I’m hopeful that the new pay revision would not widen the gap further between the different groups of earning. I personally think that pay should be revised in such a way that higher percentage increase for the lower income and lower percentage increase for the higher income group in order to narrow the existing gap.
We, the Civil Servants are looking forward to getting our salary revised. it would be unfair if the Pay Commission implemented percentage wise revision. This would just create gap between rich and poor. So, i would rather suggest the government to go for lump sum revision so as to bridge the gap. Moreover, the hike in price in every commodity in the market is making the civil servants to really think of other options for survival. The above percentage wise suggestion given by Sonam Lhundup is not fair because grade 8 and grade 9 salary is almost equal except for the difference of Nu.600 to 800 for the new recruits. If grade 9 is given 75% revision and grade 8 50% revision, the grade 9 salary will be more than the grade 8 salary….So, this suggestion is baseless. The person who suggested it did not take into account the over all implication, he just pointed out blindly….We are keeping our fingers crossed hoping that the new government would look into it and revise as far as possible.
Why are most people disgruntled with PCS which once was a hype. Because
it does not stick to its principle of ‘equal pay for equal value of work’. People who work like donkeys are expected to work more and those people who are having a gala time are enjoying the most in terms of training and promotion. Another very important point, is there any plus point rewarded to RCSC passed? I can see those RCSC rejected ones availing the best of opportunities. What is this RCSC doing? Dont you refer your old files while considering promotion or further studies for that matter. And the head of the organization should be held responsible if anything undesirable happens because he/she should be best knowing about the employees.
Sir,
we are glade to hear that soon pay will be revised. There are lots who are eager to listen and hear on the top news. Even then, I heard that those who are doing Apprenticeship are given nu .1500 plus 3000 in total nu.4,500.So we hope that trainees under two PCEs will be given. But till now there is no sign yet.whta can u say about this. it is me and my collegues suggestion. As per my information i heard that it has been passed years that stipend will revise but yet there is no sign,hope Sir will do something to this suggestion. more over it has been discussed last year in nationally asssembly that pay for teacher should be revised 45% then it came to 55%, but everybody is tired on any pay revision since there is nothing done. We HOPE this time it will be ………….
this is what we have noticed so far, i might be wrong, but sometimes it makes sense. Hope Sir will do something on this issues
Sir,
we are glade to hear that soon pay will be revised. There are lots who are eager to listen and hear on the top news. Even then, I heard that those who are doing Apprenticeship are given nu .1500 plus 3000 in total nu.4,500.So we hope that trainees under two PCEs will be given. But till now there is no sign yet.whta can u say about this. it is me and my collegues suggestion. As per my information i heard that it has been passed years that stipend will revise but yet there is no sign,hope Sir will do something to this suggestion. more over it has been discussed last year in nationally asssembly that pay for teacher should be revised but everybody is tired on any pay revision since there is nothing done. We HOPE this time it will be ………….
this is what we have noticed so far, i might be wrong, but sometimes it makes sense. Hope Sir will do something on this issues.
Dorji wrote:
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“PCS to be reviewed”.. what a welcome relief ! PCS has been stifling motivation in the civil service from the year it was partially implemented. Many civil servants are left with their promotions withheld due absence of next higher post in their organisation. For civil servants whose only incentive in the service is his/her timely promotion, this inability to rise to the next higher post is extremely demoralising. Lets hope this review will be carried out keeping in mind the principles of GNH.”
I am afraid the Pay Commission has no mandate to review the PCS. AT the most they can do is to advice the Govt. to give pay and allowances as per the PCS prescrption and policy – thats what the RCSC has been fighting for the last 2 years. I know coz I was one of the active members for the PCS committee on Salary Revision in 2005. I think we had about 15 members chaired by Nima Wangdi, the then DG, DADM and later chaired by the current Auditor General. However, the implementation saw the Govt. slashing some of the major recommendations made by the Committee, which may had major implications on the principles of the PCS.
On the promotions, to my knowlegde and i don’t know about the Govt./RCSC reasons, the very the fundamental reason that led to the introduction of the PCS was the GG 1999 exercise by which the Govt. required the RCSC to expedite the job classification system to address the automatic promotion issues under the cadre system to enhance morale and professionalism in the Civil Service. Probably the qualifed and the professionals were demoralised to see the non-qualified including even the drivers were either equal or were overtaking them in grades.
It is quite disappointing to see that some people argue that civil servants are demoralised and that they just to office, do no work and just get their salary. Such attitude and ethics is not expected from our civil servants. The PCS is born mainly to clean up the system of such characters and trouble creators.
We cannot leave every thing to the RCSC and the Govt. They have done their job by putting a system in place. Now it is us, the implementers, the ministries , agencies and Dzongkhags to take ownership and ensure full implementation as per rule rather just appearing just ignorant of the whole thing.
We made PCS together coz we needed a system to cope with the changing needs.
We must also aknowledge that there are some implementations issues, which is expected from such a big reform as the PCS. Even a cadre system itself after 14 or 15 years of implementation was undergoing changes.
We professionals are happy with the PCS as it has taken care most of our grievances. We can earn at the level of a secretary to the govt. one day unlike the cadre system where most of the professionals would have got stuck at grade 5 (P2 level) for a life time . Of course some professions like the doctors are altogether a different species, according to them other professions have no work, no risk, requires no skill, etc.
Sir, we are very happy to hear that PCS will be reviewed and hope revision will take the care of all the big bars which is hampering about 70% of the civil servants. As per PCS the one has to have qualification to break the bar. The people actually affected are those people who are working very hard in the field be it in the rain or sun. In that case, we would like to humbly request the new government or RCSC to look into this matter more seriously.
sir,
some of the suggestions and opinions given by our friends are good while some equally a guess work gone haywire.I would suggest a payrise that the finance can pay for,gaps are still maintained but not that wide enough( otherwise the juniors pay will be more than his boss’s take home),market prices or the cost of the living are well studied, inflation post raise is checked to have real beneficial effect on the civil servant.The comission should not be bogged down by the want of ideas or confounding factors related to the money and the issues at hand.every person after their higher studies maybe given a pay raise in scale which should concur ultimately with those of the seniors in the same category or with equal qualification.The performance of the employees have to be assessed from time to time although it is RCSC job but are like root and trunk of a tree.
Thanks.
I on behalf of nurses and other catagories of health services would like to appeal that when doctors are given given 45% allowance atleast other catagories should get 30% because every catagory is important and without one another’s support only one catogery can not function like car and petrol. There are lot of justifications we see in the news paper that doctors are more important but if we really look into the contributions of other catagories of health workers theirs contributions are also not less. If we see in terms of entry grade and other benifities like promotion, training opportunities etc. doctrocs are more previlaged. That way also they are given extra incentives compared to others. So in our opinion every catagory in health services are deserving.
we the civil servant are very glad that pay commission of bhutan is doing a great job. we would be very grateful if the pay commission revises based on a lumpsum basis after setting a minimum level of Nu. 5000 to10,000. which will met the mesfisto of the new ruling government DPT Equalty and justic.
Sir,
Besides the revision of salary I would like to express my view on the allowance for nurses. We highly regard and appreciate the 45% allowance for doctors. As nurses and doctors are like the two sides of the same coin. During the entire process of patient care both the nurses and doctors have equal involvement.. But sometimes we tend to forget the reality and feel that one is more important than the others which is not true. Instead of giving more importance to one than the other it is wise to bring a closer tie between the two. In recent years many studies have been carried out on the professional working relationship and its impact on quality patient care between nurses and doctors and they have concluded thati in a climate where there is equality, respect and appreciation of each orther’s professional skills, it is more effective in their professional working relationship which resulted in better communication, understanding,confidence , preventing of general frustration of both and delivery of better quality patient care. Therefore we would like to appeal the pay commision authority to kindly consider the allowance for nurses.
Thanking you
Dirpa Narayan Sunwar
JDWNR Hospital
Sir,
Glad that pay revision is likely to take place.I would like to caution the commission that this should not disgruntle the civil servants any more and should work seriously considering equity and justice.
On the surface, Bhutan is known an example to the world with the novel principals of GNH. When it comes to the individual happiness, how much one earns determines in attaining the happiness though money is not the end ultimate happiness.
By and large, if people are not paid at least at par with the increasing living cost, I don’t see the policy being guided by GNH. The pay commission may look and put yourself in the shoes of bottom line civil servants in doing so.
It is heartening to hear that the Pay Commission office will look at the PCS for pay revision and other considerations. I can presume that the pay increase will be an attractive package because PCS is dynamic, farsighted and so as the commission members. Good luck Pay Commission Members!
Hi Pay commission,
I really appreaciate your initiative to take in public views for taking this very important decision. If at all you are going to raise pay for our civil servants i feel it would be good for the public if you raise by lump sum instead of percent wise.I hope everybody knows that the income gap is widening year after year between haps and hap-nots and only worsen if you opt for the latter. This will help lessen the income disparity in our GNH society.
DPT secretariate.
by go throughing the note regarding the revise of pay by the pay commission, its nice and we ll appriciate if it is in lumsump coz if it is in percentage the low income people ll ve no change and high level ll reach to sky. So my view is in lumsump
The title of the article – ‘PCS to be reviewed’ while the article mainly dwells on pay revision. There is no Ministry of Trade and Industry its the Ministry of economic affairs – Mr Chhetri as a journalist please keep yourself abreast of current happenings. However we thank the pay commission in giving the public the chance to voice our opinions. The govt has definitely selected the right senior officer to head the pay revision and while we all look forward to a pay revision we are confident that the best will be done taking into consideration all the factors. Guess we cannot expect too much as a poor developing country.
As per the qualification, the difference in pay is already gaven in out 1st appointment. My suggestion at present would be to revise on lump sum bases. so tht it will benefit the low income earning groups especially ESP levels those who handle dirty jobs.
Ranging from Nu. 4000 – 10000
We appreciate if pay commission could decide on a lump sum basis. If the revise is based on % than there will be big differences between the lower and higher income group where a large gap already exists. In general everyone has to buy the same items from the same market/shop at same prize. If pay commission could decide on lump sum then it will be equity and justice for all. We hope pay commission will support the lump sum. Trashi Delek.
I am sorry. in the earlier postage, i commited mistake with inappropriate fiddling of keys. So continue it.
Sonam Lhundrup’s fine proposal needed some amendments to practically apply if felt approprioated.
1/ GRADE 1-3 should be less than or equal to25%
2/ Grade 4-8 = should be less than or equal to50%
3/ Grade 9-13 = should be less than or equal to75%
4/ Grade 14 to GSP & ESP =should be less than or equal to 100%.
every one is anxious about the pay revision. but is it really going to happen.
the living expenditure has become very high. people are finding tough time searching alternatives to sustain their lives. so what is next decision from government to alleviate this dreadful sufferings. by REVIEWING PCS can it
really fulfill the expectations of agonized people. if PCS is implemented with
its true objectives ans principles i think it will work better. the only thing people
want is that “they are paid well with what they deserve”
professionals like engineers are not accounted well when it comes to pay revision and incentives. may be because in Bhutan they are not so in demand and in future too. what it indicates is that they are considered “wise dump man”. i think RCSC will consider them and maintain their status after all they are also
professionals. many say engineers and doctors. but what is the problems.
every one is anxious about the pay revision. but is it really going to happen.
the living expenditure has become very high. people are finding tough time searching alternatives to sustain their lives. so what is next decision from government to alleviate this dreadful sufferings. by REVIEWING PCS can it
really fulfill the expectations of agonized people. if PCS is implemented with
its true objectives ans principles i think it will work better. the only thing people
want is that “they are paid well with what they deserve”
professionals like engineers are not accounted well when it comes to pay revision and incentives. may be because in Bhutan they are not so in demand and in future too. what it indicates is that they are considered “wise dump man”. i think RCSC will consider them and maintain their status after all they are also
professionals. many say engineers and doctors. but what is the problem.
I was wondering whether Mr. Chettri wasn’t a ‘reporter’ at all. Like Wangchu has pointed out, I think it would be beneficial for media people to be aware of using the right terms for public information.
Not only the ‘Ministry of Trade and Industry’ renamed Ministry of Economic Affairs, the PCS talks about ‘equal pay for equal value of work’ – not ‘equal pay for equal work’. Small mis-information misleads. It is a sensitive time for the civil service while it is trying to digest the ups and downs of the system. While it is also hard to understand the strategic goals of the system, media is important in getting right information across to public. In doing so, right information is important.
Nonetheless, we are here to feel the difference of the pay revision. Cheers in everyone’s eyes…..[sidewink to the house owners, who will increase the house-rent simultaneously]
well we know tat besides tat pay skills i think it would be great for civil servant like us if either govt can make a limit of house rent or govt can manage houses for us.
I’m totally against your suggestion.We are happy with PCS and we dun have objection on its statement.U may be trying to reduce the gap btw people but that is not the only way u got .U can adopt any other ways .Pcs has been helpful to us….